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treating citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with Ryan

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Sprague and Shane herd thanks for

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hanging out with us today today we're

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having a casual conversation about that

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thing that just won't leave the

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headlines and that is it the whole storm

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area51 business i suspect you already

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know what that is

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but if you're not familiar with it the

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storm area51 thing started as a joke

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that this guy named Mattie Roberts

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posted the facebook on June 27th of this

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year what he did was create an event on

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Facebook titled storm area 51 they can't

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stop all of us and the description for

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the event simply stated we will all meet

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up in rural Nevada and coordinate our

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parties if we Naruto run we can move

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faster than their bullets let's see them

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aliens well Roberts has admitted that he

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created the event as a joke after

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watching area 51 whistleblower bob lazar

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and filmmaker jeremy Korbel on the Joe

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Rogan experience but that didn't stop

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the event from spreading like wildfire

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millions of people signed up for the

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event and media outlets around the world

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ran with stories about this storm area51

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event who initially before people were

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really realizing that this was just a

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joke it was even prompting responses

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from the military warning against any

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attempted action at the secret facility

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but many of us rolled our eyes at this

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thing from the very beginning and

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suspected that if anybody actually

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showed up on the date of the supposed

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event September 20th

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it would just be a few people who would

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hang out grab drinks and talk about UFOs

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no storming even further some of us

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speculated from the start that if

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anything materialized with this whole

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thing it would just wind up being a

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Woodstock type gathering well fast

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forward to today

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that's essentially what it's become

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storm area 51 has become an event called

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alien stock and there are spin-off

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events to storm area 51 base camp and

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peace stock 51 are two of the other

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events allegedly taking place on the

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same weekend so this thing is a giant

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cluster and like I said this thing just

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won't get

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the headlines I mean just this morning

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we're recording this on Saturday and

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just this morning HLN did a segment on

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storm area 51 and they interviewed

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Roberts so I mean we're seeing this in

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the headlines every day new details

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about the local authorities and the

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actions they're taking so what we wanted

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to do today is just take off our

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journalistic hats and just have a frank

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discussion about this thing and share

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some of our personal opinions so first

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guys are either of you going to any of

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these events I was actually going to go

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to the storm area 51 base camp then I

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was asked to come out there and and

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speak at that one Jason but I I

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completely forgot to check my calendar

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and I'm doing another conference that

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exact same weekend so I've been you know

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signed on to do this other event for

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almost a year now

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yeah I've been super excited and stoked

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about it I'm meeting like John Tenney

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and Nick Redfern for the first time ever

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cheryl cost is gonna be there

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so I was like I can't I can't I just

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can't give it up to go to presumably

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what could be a disaster or or on the

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flip side it could be something super

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big and fun but yeah yeah I was

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originally gonna go but yeah I and

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unfortunately I can't what about you

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Shane are you making the trek out to

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area 51 I'm not and I guess my opinion

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has been expressed on Facebook

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frequently and I basically have said

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stay home stay free and you know stay

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alive but obviously the the the tenor of

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it and everything has changed that was

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that was when it was actually storm area

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cool probably it's gonna probably end up

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being a big party who knows but no I'm

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not planning on going yeah I think stay

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home is some good advice and a lot of

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people have been been offering that

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advice I know both of you have actually

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been to the area you both have been

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deewan and ryan you've been there

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recently so for people who aren't

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familiar sort of described the area you

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know that whole surrounding it it's a

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schlep to get out there first of all but

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but describe the area around everyone I

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mean I I was pretty naive too when I got

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out there you know I thought like oh

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it's gonna be like a 10 15 20 minute

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ride from Las Vegas right little did I

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know how far Rachel actually is in a

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small town ship I guess you can call it

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of Rachel Nevada it's not even a really

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a town it's one restaurant bar and a

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couple like trailers and tents in the

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back but um it it's a long drive man

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from any sort of civilization endless

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endless desert gorgeous absolutely

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beautiful drive but my god I drank two

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cups of coffee in Rachel and I had to

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get out P at least like four times

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before I actually got to anywhere even

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resembling a gate I read that that is an

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important point right because there is

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nothing there there's no gas stations no

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hotels no restaurants so ya know if you

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have to pee you do have to pull over the

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side of the road I mean can I can I add

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to Jason you gotta know where you're

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going yeah I we drove out to where we

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thought the gate was gonna be and we got

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lost we had to turn around and go back

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for two hours back to Rachel and get

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actual directions turn around and go and

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that's unlike just you know fumes of gas

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at that point so make sure your gas

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tanks are full and you have backup

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that's all I'm gonna say so you

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experienced a to shane with your drive

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out there to do surprise you how sparse

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it is yeah absolutely it's a it's a good

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hour and a half drive or more and it's

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it's pretty desolate the whole way and

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and remember you know a good portion at

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least the last leg of the trek is on the

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new nuclear test site than Nevada

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nuclear test site well you're not gonna

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have civil Asian civilization on it on a

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nuclear test site and you go quite a

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ways in some really desolate desert and

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and of course there's plenty

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desert but the desert there is really

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sparse I mean you barely have any

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shrubbery at all and you know some

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cactus and very little of that even so I

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mean this is some really desolate stuff

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and that that Trek from I think I went

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to the back gate when I went and I would

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never have found it if it weren't for I

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had stopped at that little oh it's looks

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like a Quonset hut and has a big robot

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in front that guy I can't remember the

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name of it some aliens stopped or

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whatever I mean it's a cool kitchy story

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absolutely if you're gonna go stop by

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there see that guy support him and he

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used to work at area 51 and so he was

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super informative and very helpful and

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he gave us explicit directions and so we

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were able to get there you know in a

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pretty straight shot but again if you're

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going there I mean do not count on any

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service whatsoever I mean it there is

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nothing there and that little restaurant

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that raychel cool little bar and stuff

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and Pat she's really sweet and

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everything it's a neat little fun

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kitschy thing to do but that that is not

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going to support thousands of people in

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any way shape or form as far as I can

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tell yeah I don't know how they're gonna

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do that I mean they're expecting

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thousands of people to show up to what

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is this now we're up to like three

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events happening in the vicinity within

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40 miles of one one another so I don't

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know how they're gonna do it and we

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we've already heard like locals being

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like yeah come out here we're gonna be

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out there with our guns stopping yet

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it's not the government military that's

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gonna be stopping these people it's

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these small communities out there that

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are like no we don't watch out yeah it's

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really interesting reading the

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information on the websites for these

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events you know they have the same

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advice that you've been offering Ryan to

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make sure that you have gas because

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there's no gas here make sure you have

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your supplies make sure you're prepared

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because we have nothing here so that's

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there but also fascinating is the town

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of Rachel or whatever it's called

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you know their own website he's warning

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people to stay away and with that very

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warning that you know people here aren't

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happy about this and they're gonna

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defend their property their their that

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the town themselves that they're they're

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warning people hey look you're gonna be

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faced with the landowners here and

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they're going to have their guns right

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right this is it's a major metropolitan

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area where everyone's like oh yeah just

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whatever like everyone's property is

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everyone's property at least here in New

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York like you're on top of one another

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but out there they take their land very

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seriously think about the the the type

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of person who would live in a place like

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that imagine it's somebody who is there

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for a reason and they want their privacy

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yeah we have I live on kind of the

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outskirts of Phoenix and there's a place

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called New River and just just for for

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fun you know on more than one occasion

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like the ATF and and you know has to go

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out there and they find some prepper guy

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and he's got a shed sled dynamite I mean

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this is the kind of people who who they

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they on purpose live in a very remote

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area they don't want people near them

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and it's it's as serious as a heart

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attack so can you imagine living in that

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remote of an area no thanks I'm not

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messing with those folks

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yeah no and that's smart that's very

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smart of you Shane yeah there's no

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reason to you so here's something I want

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to bring up and and talk about a little

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bit and that is the whole aspect of this

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generating the hype the hoopla that it

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has you know we can't get away from

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seeing it in the headlines now we it's

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been that way for you know at least a

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month now and just prior to that you

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know we had this huge momentum where a

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lot of people and I don't necessarily

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ascribe to this opinion but a lot of

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people were celebrating all of the UFO

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headlines that we'd seen in mainstream

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media

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in recent months related to the navy's

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UFO videos a tip all that stuff and and

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to the stars their television show but

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you know a lot of people and the thing i

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don't necessarily agree with is that

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media report on ufos we're seeing an

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uptick in the number of stories about

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UFOs and you know my position has always

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been that there are always stories about

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UFOs that's not anything new and yes

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media outlets around the world even

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mainstream that the main players

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constantly write about UFOs it's not not

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something new this particular story was

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cool because it was coming from official

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channels it was about the military about

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the navy and about congressional people

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being briefed and things like that so

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that was all very exciting very very

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high level things that seemed to be

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happening at a rapid pace that was all

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very cool but right after that we get

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bombarded with headlines about storm

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mary 51 show us them aliens and by the

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way we're going to just have a music

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festival with a bunch of weirdos in the

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desert and i haven't heard those same

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people saying hey yeh look the

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mainstream media is writing about ufos

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and writing about aliens and writing

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about area 51 it probably for good

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reason

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because you know this is making i mean

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it's it's a goofy thing it deserves to

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be ripped on a bit you've got a bunch of

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you know kind of out there people and

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you know I love you UFO community I do

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but this isn't necessarily the UFO

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community right the guy who's starting

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this is a young college guys a gamer

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it's just like you know like a lot of

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people in the general public we're all

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yeah UFOs and you know that's cool and

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it has its place but you know when we're

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coming off of something where UFOs are

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finally being taken seriously to now all

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the UFO talk is they're a bunch of

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wackos going to the desert you know

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destroying this tiny town and they're

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just gonna get high and have sex with

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each other and go yeah man aliens are

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cool what do you think that does to the

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the perceived momentum for getting UFOs

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taken seriously in the general public

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well I mean we are our own worst enemies

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when it comes to the UFO Kane and I hate

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to say that but it's true I mean one

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minute we're getting congressional

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hearings possibly we're getting really

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solid documented things credible things

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like what Tom DeLonge has done and then

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you know you turn around the next week

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and you've got storm area 51 or you've

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got the bob lazar story creeping up

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again and look I I'm actually on the

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side of believing a lot of what Bob

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Lazar says but I also can't pretend to

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know how much baggage comes with that as

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well okay there's so much discredited

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stuff that's come out of the Bob Lazar

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story which is what most people know

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about area 51 not the top secret you

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know f-117 s that were made there or you

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know Aurora oxcart all that good amazing

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technology we created they know the

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story about Bob Lazar and reverse

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engineered alien technology and I think

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it's tough because it just it muddies

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the water on everything we've worked so

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hard to achieve in the past couple of

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years the UFO community and what Tom

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DeLonge is done so I'm I'm frustrated by

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it I find myself caught right in the

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middle of all of it and being excited

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one second about you know all these

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people going out to area 51 and then the

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next minute being like what this is like

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five steps backwards from where we were

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a year ago so I don't know it's tough

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guys I'm a very bipolar on the whole

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thing what do you think yeah and that's

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a good word for it - it's like a split

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personality with ufology right you have

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this kitschy pop culture side versus the

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scientific very serious side and it is

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it's like this dance of one step forward

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and two steps back you know and

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especially with with the fact that we

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aren't we take it serious and when

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you've seen this you know accomplishment

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of some very serious things taking place

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with ufology and

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getting an air of credibility both from

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the government and front from the media

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and and then this comes up and and then

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it just it does it kind of smears or

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besmirches the reputation of the serious

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side for this whole kitchen thing I'm

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not saying it was planned or anything

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like that it's just this duality that we

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constantly have to live with them with

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ufology and it's frustrating like you

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said Ryan I mean it just it is it's very

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irritating in some respects but you know

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on the one side you know yeah it is kind

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of fun and kitschy and that part may be

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like inspires interest mm-hmm especially

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you know young people are people who are

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not serious and then maybe they

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gravitate to the serious side you know

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so there's a place for it I suppose but

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you know it's just such a difficult

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thing to manage and and do so in a way

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that you know maintains credibility so I

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don't know what we do about it probably

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nothing you just got to live with it but

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you know it is it's a real factor in

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this whole thing yeah I agree and I

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share in the frustration it is it is

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frustrating but then I have to you know

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practice what I preach and and I always

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tell people to not get so worked up and

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worried about ufology and UFOs in

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general and that the poor poor delicate

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UFOs right people are always worried

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about how the public is going to

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perceive UFOs and and you follow Jesus

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arrived because negative things like

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this happen in the press and so people

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will stop taking it seriously and

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therefore ufology is going to die and

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what I always remind people is that look

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we all vote we all agree that there's

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substantial evidence for UFOs and

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perhaps even that some UFOs are

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extraterrestrial in origin and if we

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truly believe that the evidence is as

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strong as we do then we don't need to

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worry about UFOs UFOs are just fine

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right they don't they don't need us like

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sitting there going oh no my baby don't

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hurt my baby

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worrying about what other people are

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thinking like if they if the evidence is

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as strong as we say it is then UFOs and

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the study of UFOs is going to be just

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fine

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but that being said this does you know

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sort of encourage that or bring back

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that the reason for for the ridicule

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factor with UFOs because this is what's

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being presented to them they're seeing

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these people that's that's what they're

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seeing as UFO people and so they see a

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bunch of goofballs on TV getting drunk

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and swing their hands to music and going

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yeah we want to see aliens and they're

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all yep that's that's why we don't say

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that we believe in UFOs or

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extraterrestrials because and that's

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what people think that that means I am

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and I am NOT just I don't want to be

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affiliated with that right and that's

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what's frustrating is we know that not

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many UFO people are gonna go to this

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thing right because they're smart enough

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to know a that you know unlike my naive

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notion of going out there and not

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knowing how far it is from civilization

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they know that let's say 10% of what Bob

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Lazar said was true that some sort of

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alien technology was being worked on

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there or there's you know bodies stored

448
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there from Roswell or whatever whatever

449
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we know when area 51 first became known

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to the public that crap was moved

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somewhere else immediately so for anyone

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thinking there's actually anything alien

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at area 51 I I tend to err on the side

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of maybe at one time but definitely not

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when you're going out there on September

456
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20th that stuff was gone a long time ago

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or its underground and like that's

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that's the other big thing these people

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think they're gonna storm a gate I know

460
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we're more into the alien stock field

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festival now but you know there's gonna

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be some people who actually try to run

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onto that base and the first building is

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probably what God 16 miles or something

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like that from the actual gate so I

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think people are in for a very sobering

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experience going out there if they're

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looking to actually get anything in

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terms of information so to see that

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there are some educational things going

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on out there at this base camp thing

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that's I guess that's a plus ya know

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yeah I mean they are gonna have lectures

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they are gonna have

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Jeremie corbels gonna be there screening

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his film bob lazar so yeah that stuff is

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cool and you know I I really I mean I

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know there are plenty of dumb people but

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I really don't think anybody's gonna try

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to storm anything I think it's all just

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a goofy thing and something for them to

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latch on to you and pretend to be tough

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but just again go out and share UFO

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stories and I hope that's that's all it

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turns out to be but that being said

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you're right there-there is an

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educational opportunity here and I'm

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glad some of the events are taking

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advantage of the Hat but also I think

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something huge that will come out of

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this for the general public is first of

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all is there still a large percentage of

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population most likely that still

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doesn't realize that area 51 is a real

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thing I can't tell you how many times I

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get asked so we think about area 51 you

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think it's real we know area 51 is real

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if you're asking about are there

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extraterrestrials there have there been

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UFOs there that's another story but

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people are still back that that basic

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level of not knowing if area 51 is even

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real thing but second of all a lot of

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people don't know where area 51 is and

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hopefully this will have people learn

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that area 51 is in Nevada and not in New

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Mexico that gets confused a lot so you

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know at least people will learn where

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area 51 is hopefully but you know I do

510
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think this has a place right I just

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think people it should be presented in a

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different way not in a we're going to

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find out the truth or we're going to

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gain any information from the government

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by going out there that's clearly not

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going to happen and it's a waste of your

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time to go to a military base in the

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middle of the desert to demand answers

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that's not going to happen if you want

520
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to do that go to Washington this however

521
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if you just want to go somewhere and

522
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have a fun time with people who have

523
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similar interests it's just like going

524
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to you a UFO conference I think it's

525
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great and I think people should if they

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want to do that and have fun with other

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people who like UFOs yeah I was thinking

528
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too not to be such a downer but the

529
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serious side of this I mean first of all

530
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I think there were like 2.2 million

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people on Facebook who responded

532
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interests in this and even if 10% of

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those people showed up you know that was

534
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one heck of a lot of people right and

535
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the other issue is you know would you

536
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storm Fort Hood Texas would you storm

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you know Edwards Air Force Base I mean

538
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the storming of an American military

539
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base is not a good idea I mean I know

540
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they're sort of tongue-in-cheek the

541
00:23:01,060 --> 00:22:58,910
whole Neruda thing and outrun both look

542
00:23:03,159 --> 00:23:01,070
those guys I don't know if you've ever

543
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,169
seen footage of people who do venture

544
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:05,840
past the signs at area 51

545
00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:09,890
those dudes are not nice they will they

546
00:23:14,350 --> 00:23:12,350
shove a gun in your face they call you

547
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:14,360
all sorts of names they'll throw you on

548
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:16,490
the ground they will cuff you they were

549
00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:18,169
I mean this is not a pleasant experience

550
00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:21,590
and in fact they haven't they have shot

551
00:23:28,090 --> 00:23:25,340
people so I mean if you literally if

552
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:28,100
there were one thousand five thousand

553
00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:29,809
twenty thousand two hundred thousand

554
00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:33,230
people there their force is gonna act

555
00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:35,900
they are gonna protect that military

556
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:37,640
base and I mean you know this is a

557
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:39,770
serious side of it I don't know what

558
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:41,690
they would do but they would not just

559
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:44,960
say oh okay cool go ahead come on in no

560
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:46,490
they're gonna take action and that

561
00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:49,220
action is not going to be pleasant so I

562
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:52,820
mean it is really a quite a foolish

563
00:23:57,310 --> 00:23:55,280
notion to even consider doing such a

564
00:23:58,779 --> 00:23:57,320
thing now I know it's more from that to

565
00:24:01,899 --> 00:23:58,789
the festival but like I think you

566
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:01,909
mentioned earlier right add a 2.2

567
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:03,289
million people do you think there might

568
00:24:09,460 --> 00:24:06,890
be 10 plenty a hundred to three hundred

569
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,470
people that maybe don't have quite all

570
00:24:12,130 --> 00:24:10,400
there

571
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:12,140
you know cards in their deck and they

572
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:14,570
might try it I think so I think that

573
00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:17,570
might happen and if that's a case that's

574
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:21,860
gonna be a very ugly ugly smear on not

575
00:24:26,919 --> 00:24:24,169
only the military America but on on

576
00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:26,929
ufology as well if that really were to

577
00:24:33,310 --> 00:24:29,870
happen so I mean you know I really do

578
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:33,320
fear for people who who might push it

579
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,590
that far now the whole festival thing

580
00:24:40,090 --> 00:24:38,000
that's different hopefully it just stays

581
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:40,100
on that level and everything is cool but

582
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:44,059
I mean the reality of attempting to do

583
00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:47,570
such a thing is just crazy and I would

584
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:48,460
hope that no

585
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,210
dozen I've got to conspiracy theories

586
00:24:57,870 --> 00:24:55,120
for this one guys this this actually

587
00:25:00,510 --> 00:24:57,880
came from a buddy of mine

588
00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:00,520
Alan B Smith do I talk you recently

589
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:02,560
about this whole event and I actually

590
00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:05,410
the minute he said it he I was like

591
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:08,560
that's genius I think that this whole

592
00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:12,840
thing is just a way to do a blink 182

593
00:25:17,220 --> 00:25:16,030
reunion show with Tom DeLonge and I

594
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:17,230
think they're gonna show up to the

595
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:19,690
festival and blink-182 is gonna get back

596
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:21,250
together and this is gonna be their

597
00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:23,410
first reunion concert what do you think

598
00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:25,420
Jason I think there's zero chance of

599
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:26,680
that

600
00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:29,500
zero chance and I'll tell you what I

601
00:25:36,330 --> 00:25:32,440
mean if if this if this were happening

602
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:36,340
like next year I would maybe entertain

603
00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:38,050
that possibility but because it's

604
00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:40,870
happening in September I mean we're

605
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:43,870
already in September so not a chance

606
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:46,750
I mean tom is busy with Angels and

607
00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:50,410
Airwaves tour not gonna very true

608
00:25:55,770 --> 00:25:52,360
although have you seen the latest blink

609
00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:55,780
182 flyer the UF Adamski UFO it's pretty

610
00:26:02,700 --> 00:25:59,260
interesting I I will tell you most blink

611
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:02,710
182 as posters have UFOs really it's

612
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:04,270
interesting and I think it's because

613
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,100
they're they're largely fan-made you

614
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:07,840
know and a lot of people a lot of fans

615
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:10,060
equate that because they follow tom as

616
00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:12,390
well so that's cool yeah my other

617
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,180
conspiracy is that maybe maybe this will

618
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,400
be like some big air show like we can

619
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,840
finally they're gonna show off all the

620
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,210
things that they've been testing at area

621
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:24,640
51 for the public who knows maybe we're

622
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:28,000
gonna see some really cool drones or new

623
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:30,910
stealth technology a way of giving

624
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:33,490
transparency to the public finally from

625
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:35,850
this supposedly black-budget

626
00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:38,590
installation so I don't know that's your

627
00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:39,040
chance

628
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:45,670
bursting the balloons on this one you

629
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:47,650
know I I will I will say I I think

630
00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:51,730
there's a high probability that some

631
00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:53,020
drones are gonna get shot down right

632
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,140
with wipes with like yeah like

633
00:27:00,600 --> 00:26:57,760
electrical weapons or something like

634
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:00,610
that because a lot a lot of morons are

635
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:01,420
going to have

636
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:03,100
there and you can't have drones there

637
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:05,500
they're gonna just take that down so

638
00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:08,260
yeah and they also they I know that they

639
00:27:12,930 --> 00:27:10,660
can hack into your phone the minute

640
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,940
you're like within a certain vicinity so

641
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,520
they can shut down your cameras yeah

642
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:17,440
they'll shut us down there was one other

643
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:21,100
thing oh they they have that like sonar

644
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:22,990
technology where they can actually make

645
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:25,450
you like sick to your stomach right or

646
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:27,490
get headaches or migraines so I mean

647
00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:30,250
we're not talking guys on top of hills

648
00:27:34,590 --> 00:27:32,560
with guns shooting at people I honestly

649
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:34,600
don't think that's what they plan to do

650
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:36,970
at all I think they're gonna be using

651
00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:38,860
all these other things that they have to

652
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:41,560
keep people away if they do tend to get

653
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:42,940
up there that's another big thing is

654
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:46,540
that back gate chain you know as well as

655
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:49,690
I do it's her no I'm sorry the front

656
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:52,270
gate the front gate is not like a little

657
00:27:56,460 --> 00:27:54,100
post that says do not come in here

658
00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:56,470
people could drive right past that thing

659
00:27:59,610 --> 00:27:57,700
without even knowing it

660
00:28:03,480 --> 00:27:59,620
so that could be a problem too if people

661
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:03,490
don't know where the actual perimeters

662
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:05,260
are I think they're actually gonna have

663
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:08,020
people there I mean they've got access

664
00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:10,060
true they've got extra police presence

665
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:12,820
and extra military presidents good for

666
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:15,070
that that weekend so I imagine they'll

667
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:16,900
have people right at the gate which is

668
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:18,700
ridiculous I mean I think I think they'd

669
00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:19,750
blowing this whole thing out of

670
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,280
proportion I really don't think they

671
00:28:25,650 --> 00:28:23,440
need to have all these people but you

672
00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:25,660
know they've been forced to play it safe

673
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:27,820
and it's smart and to your point Shane I

674
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:30,810
mean I do think they'll probably be some

675
00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:33,430
people who don't are playing with all

676
00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:35,920
their cards that might try to do

677
00:28:40,650 --> 00:28:37,900
something but I'm still hopeful I'm

678
00:28:44,130 --> 00:28:40,660
still optimistic that it's not going to

679
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:44,140
be anything you know so aggressive like

680
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,910
I'm I'm out here with all my guns I'm

681
00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:47,440
gonna march in and I'm gonna take the

682
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:50,020
place I think it's just gonna be a

683
00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:52,450
handful of dudes who want to feel macho

684
00:28:56,790 --> 00:28:54,400
and they're gonna stand at the gate and

685
00:29:00,060 --> 00:28:56,800
swear it the guards they're gonna turn

686
00:29:01,890 --> 00:29:00,070
around and moon them dance with their

687
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:01,900
asses out I think that's what will

688
00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:03,160
happen and those guys are get arrested

689
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:07,780
but hold my beer I do got to tell you

690
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:09,550
guys about my experience going there

691
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:11,260
they'll kind of look at a whole drone

692
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,290
thing and in the display of military you

693
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:15,840
know capable

694
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,290
so go into the back gate you you you

695
00:29:23,390 --> 00:29:21,480
pull out this little highway that that

696
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,400
is going through the mountains and it

697
00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:25,440
kind of snakes and then it takes a

698
00:29:30,460 --> 00:29:28,350
straight shot off to Rachel but where it

699
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:30,470
kind of snakes out of the mountains you

700
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:33,450
so you're elevated there's this dirt

701
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:36,600
road that shoots off the the curvy paved

702
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:38,370
highway that you're on and it goes

703
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,310
straight for 15 miles in it you know

704
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:43,380
appears to just dead in into these hills

705
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:46,050
well that that's the route to the back

706
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:48,510
gate and it's this big wide gravel dirt

707
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,300
road obviously maintained and that's

708
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:53,340
where those buses with the employees go

709
00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:55,560
and then go ripping down that thing 60

710
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,180
miles an hour that's why it's so well

711
00:30:02,750 --> 00:29:59,760
groomed and thick heavy gravel and stuff

712
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:02,760
anyway so my wife and I I just got my

713
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:05,070
Camaro and it's a convertible and it's

714
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:08,520
like April and so it's cold but nice out

715
00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:11,250
and anyways we're driving down that road

716
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:14,280
and again anyway approaching area 51

717
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,930
they're gonna see if for like 15 miles

718
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:17,520
away right you're a little dust cloud on

719
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:19,950
your car on this straight road that goes

720
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:22,110
through this flat valley by the time you

721
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,570
get there that they're ready before me

722
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:26,640
but anyway so we're in the middle of

723
00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:29,970
that flat Valley I have the top down and

724
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:32,400
you know clear sky but a few puffy

725
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,790
clouds and all of a sudden were we hear

726
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:38,640
this plane coming basically military jet

727
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,110
and I don't know if you've ever heard a

728
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,480
military jet versus a commercial but

729
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,360
they're way louder it's like a car with

730
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,100
no muffler and it's just I mean it

731
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,620
rumbles and shakes your guts right and

732
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:52,020
I'm driving along maybe just 35 miles an

733
00:30:56,390 --> 00:30:54,420
hour and this thing goes over the top of

734
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:56,400
us and you know just with with the

735
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:58,170
Doppler effect right you hear it come in

736
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:00,600
and then it gets over its its loudest

737
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:02,790
and then it fades away as you go so

738
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:06,510
anyways we get strafe to buy a jet but

739
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:10,200
we look up and I have 360-degree view

740
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:12,210
because the tops down we never saw the

741
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:17,280
plane but that thing came right over the

742
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:19,050
top of this and gone kind of like from

743
00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:21,210
the right to the left just shook our

744
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:23,160
guts right there's no doubt it happened

745
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:25,140
and we're looking up for this plane and

746
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:27,180
we never saw it so I don't know if it

747
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:28,169
was just hi

748
00:31:32,419 --> 00:31:30,299
of altitude or we're just freaked out or

749
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:32,429
if there was some sort of you know

750
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:34,230
technology that just didn't allow you

751
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:35,730
here but there's no doubt was a

752
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:37,529
conventional airplane and it was a

753
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:40,440
fighter jet but man that thing I just I

754
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:42,090
thought that was the coolest darn thing

755
00:31:47,899 --> 00:31:44,820
you know because but what it did is it

756
00:31:49,999 --> 00:31:47,909
said hey we know you're here and we're

757
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,009
doing something about it you know so I

758
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:51,840
thought that was just fascinating it was

759
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:54,570
fun but um yes they have technology

760
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,179
there and they can use it and I guess

761
00:32:03,440 --> 00:31:59,580
that's why I brought that up and I had

762
00:32:06,919 --> 00:32:03,450
that experience it was awesome yeah I as

763
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:06,929
well Shane have audio proof that they

764
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:09,899
knew that I was coming I can't divulge

765
00:32:16,099 --> 00:32:13,529
it here right now it will be in some

766
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:16,109
coming up but I can't wait to hear what

767
00:32:20,479 --> 00:32:17,850
you guys think about it I hope it made

768
00:32:22,129 --> 00:32:20,489
it into the show but um it freaked me

769
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:22,139
out cuz you know I kind of went being

770
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:24,570
like nothing's gonna happen like yeah

771
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:26,850
whatever I've seen the videos blah blah

772
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,340
blah we're gonna be safe but I had

773
00:32:34,879 --> 00:32:31,919
something happen while we were in our

774
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:34,889
vehicle maybe two miles from not even

775
00:32:40,369 --> 00:32:38,190
maybe a mile from the gate audio proof

776
00:32:43,489 --> 00:32:40,379
that they were tracking us and they knew

777
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:43,499
why we were there who we were it was a

778
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:46,230
little scary I'm not gonna lie so yeah

779
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:47,580
yeah they definitely don't mess around

780
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:50,730
in terms of monitoring people like Jason

781
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:53,940
said I I have faith in humanity that

782
00:32:57,979 --> 00:32:55,799
people are not going to be stupid enough

783
00:33:03,830 --> 00:32:57,989
to storm that gate I mean someone died

784
00:33:06,229 --> 00:33:03,840
two months ago doing it but you can't

785
00:33:08,749 --> 00:33:06,239
underestimate Instagram and YouTube and

786
00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:08,759
the pressure people will feel to get

787
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:11,249
that like that one video of them doing

788
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:14,820
this or whatever so I don't know just go

789
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:16,470
have fun if you're gonna do it that's

790
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:20,460
all I have to say yes I'm like no yes I

791
00:33:27,979 --> 00:33:22,710
know an old man just kids having fun be

792
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,989
breezy yeah make good choices yeah I

793
00:33:31,729 --> 00:33:29,580
don't know if you're gonna talk about

794
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,739
this Jason but one one thing about this

795
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:33,600
whole thing that strikes me and you know

796
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:35,190
I kind of get into this stuff in my own

797
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:39,320
head but the political science part of

798
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:42,130
social media and how

799
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,400
Maddi Roberts you know 22 year old

800
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:48,880
college student living at home gets on

801
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:50,740
Facebook so hello this would be cool and

802
00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:53,410
boo-boo-boo-boo and 2.2 million people

803
00:34:02,220 --> 00:33:58,150
are motivated to action I mean that is

804
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:02,230
that is an unbelievable level of power

805
00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:06,910
that you know I'm sure that makes some

806
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:08,590
people stay up all night right and

807
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:12,040
government stuff how how you can make a

808
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,010
call to action to millions of people in

809
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:17,200
an instant and they respond and you can

810
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:19,510
communicate and you can organize and dam

811
00:34:25,169 --> 00:34:22,210
you can do something I mean to me that

812
00:34:27,090 --> 00:34:25,179
that's a little freaky I mean it is a

813
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:27,100
little freaky and a little scary because

814
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,070
you know this this is a fairly harmless

815
00:34:35,369 --> 00:34:32,560
kind of proposition but you know what if

816
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:35,379
somebody made a call to do something you

817
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:39,700
know bad and and I mean like I said I'm

818
00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:41,560
sure there's intelligence agencies that

819
00:34:46,409 --> 00:34:43,419
are up all night about this stuff so I

820
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,419
think it's really fascinating from that

821
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:48,879
standpoint and also just human behavior

822
00:34:55,619 --> 00:34:50,889
and now how people like you were saying

823
00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:55,629
Jason 51 cool but there's a dark side to

824
00:34:59,760 --> 00:34:57,400
that and a you know serious and

825
00:35:03,180 --> 00:34:59,770
dangerous side too so um it just shows

826
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:03,190
the power of social media and and it for

827
00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:06,070
me it speaks to like what we're doing

828
00:35:11,010 --> 00:35:08,859
now is you know if we're participants in

829
00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:11,020
it do it that we need to be you know

830
00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:13,780
have a sense of responsibility and make

831
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:15,580
sure that what we're doing it you know

832
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:18,970
is you know appropriate and responsible

833
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:21,820
because you know I I would hate to cause

834
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:23,320
something that would cause someone to

835
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:25,450
you know do something wrong or bad or

836
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:28,750
have some terrible experience so you

837
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:30,609
know I just think it it's a it's a good

838
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:32,590
life lesson and it's a lesson in in

839
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:34,990
political science and kind of the modern

840
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:36,730
world that we live in and the

841
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:38,500
responsibility that's placed on people

842
00:35:44,099 --> 00:35:41,140
well you know I'm certainly an amateur

843
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:44,109
with media and and boy you know you've

844
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:45,910
got to be careful and you got to you

845
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:49,150
know consider those things yeah I give

846
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:51,790
Maddie credit I mean he usually could

847
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:54,190
have just been like this isn't Joe like

848
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:55,950
you guys are all idiots

849
00:36:00,560 --> 00:35:58,290
like that but he actually like stepped

850
00:36:01,850 --> 00:36:00,570
up I talked to him a couple weeks ago

851
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:01,860
over the phone

852
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:04,530
and he's he's definitely scared and

853
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,090
nervous he's also way in over his head

854
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:11,280
in terms of what he's trying to do with

855
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:11,850
this thing

856
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:14,550
but I give him credit for trying to do

857
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:18,000
something positive um you know get music

858
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,480
have fun educate people um you know if I

859
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:23,520
were him I'd be like let's get a bunch

860
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:26,760
of like donate money to these local

861
00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:29,580
charities or or help Rachel I don't know

862
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:30,510
something like that

863
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,730
um maybe that is what they're gonna do

864
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:35,040
but the social the social movement

865
00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:36,690
aspect chain I think is really

866
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:39,030
interesting to like you said within days

867
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:41,010
this thing went to two million people

868
00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:43,650
the FBI showed up to his house to be

869
00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:46,350
like her intentions with this was just a

870
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,630
joke but we all know how many times

871
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:51,300
we've heard it was just a joke right I

872
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:55,530
was real so it's fascinating to think

873
00:37:00,920 --> 00:36:58,200
like this kid had no intention of

874
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:00,930
actually doing this or even cares about

875
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:05,280
the UFO community or even you know UFO

876
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:08,550
transparency or disclosure right he you

877
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:10,860
know late at night listen to Joe Rogan

878
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:14,280
and the rest is history so I think it's

879
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:17,070
really fascinating that you know again

880
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:19,770
someone comes out of the shadows and

881
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:22,950
like becomes the face of ufology for a

882
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:25,550
brief moment in times right I know

883
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:29,250
usually yeah now it's absolutely insane

884
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,090
but you know again I just hope people

885
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:34,500
recognize these events for what they are

886
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:37,310
don't go in with expectations of getting

887
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:40,230
secret government information or

888
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,030
anything like that if you want to go and

889
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:44,400
and have a good time and talk about UFOs

890
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:47,160
with people then more power to you but

891
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:49,230
as we mentioned from the start

892
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:50,940
know what you're getting into you visit

893
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,700
the events websites they tell you what

894
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:54,900
you should bring which is pretty much

895
00:37:59,440 --> 00:37:56,550
everything because there's nothing there

896
00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,450
you're not going for a leisurely

897
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:02,280
vacation in the desert at some you know

898
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:04,090
nice resort or something there

899
00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:05,260
there's nothing there you're gonna be

900
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:06,700
camping you're gonna be you're gonna be

901
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:11,260
roughing it so I mean that I don't know

902
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:12,730
that I guess that's appealing to some

903
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:14,110
people to me that sounds pretty awful

904
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:17,230
but you know if you want sort of a

905
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:19,450
similar experience you can just go to

906
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,640
the International UFO Congress which is

907
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:23,920
coming up next week and then you can

908
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:26,620
stay in a hotel and have restaurants and

909
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:28,900
bars around you and air conditioning and

910
00:38:35,310 --> 00:38:32,620
a shower and restrooms you know all the

911
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:35,320
creature comforts so I mean you've got

912
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:37,600
your options there and Shane will

913
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:40,270
certainly be at the the UFO Congress off

914
00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:42,610
and on I'll probably be there too so if

915
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:44,470
you see us say hello and Ryan you

916
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,180
alluded to the event that's keeping you

917
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:48,400
away from storming area 51 what event is

918
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:50,980
that I'm really excited it's called the

919
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:54,640
Michigan UFO contact event the only

920
00:39:00,030 --> 00:38:57,460
reason I signed on for this is because

921
00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:00,040
I'd never met Nick Redfern I've never

922
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:01,870
met John Tenney and I saw that both

923
00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:04,120
these guys were gonna be there and I

924
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:05,800
actually reached out to the event

925
00:39:11,730 --> 00:39:08,590
coordinator and begged them if I could

926
00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:11,740
come in and either just like hang out or

927
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,100
cover the event for the podcast but they

928
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,960
were like no come do a talk do anything

929
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:19,420
so that's the same weekend as storm

930
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:20,170
area51

931
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:23,140
september 20th and 21st in Houghton Lake

932
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:25,840
Michigan so I'm super stoked about that

933
00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:28,420
I'm sure the whole time I'm there we're

934
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:30,340
gonna be like on our phone seeing what's

935
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,770
going on in Nevada I'm sure it'll be a

936
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:34,720
big topic of conversation there for sure

937
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:37,210
oh yeah but if you're if you're in that

938
00:39:40,830 --> 00:39:38,350
area

939
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:40,840
I don't know I'm biased but I say he's

940
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:42,850
probably hang hang hang in the area and

941
00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:44,890
check out that event rather than going

942
00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:48,040
to Nevada for storm area 51 just my

943
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,700
opinion yeah well citizens we wrap up

944
00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:53,200
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945
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00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:03,910
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967
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:36,460
again for hanging out with us today I'm

968
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Jason McClellan

969
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I'm write spray and I'm Shane herd

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Cheers

971
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:43,510
Dewar's the favorite friends always

972
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:44,950
treat the UFO subject with the cautious

973
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:46,540
and responsible skepticism it deserves

974
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:48,790
question everything have the courage to

975
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:51,190
form your own opinions keep truth as the

976
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,870
focus of your quest even if the truth

977
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,880
conflicts with your opinions and of